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		<title>What Chinese People are Saying about our Blogs</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[Imagine my surprise when I ran across a Chinese discussion board that made reference to my blog (my old one too in fact). As I scrolled through the comments I realized that they were writing about a lot of the blogs that I know. When I tried use Google to find more similar discussions nothing [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p align="justify"><font color="#000000">Imagine my surprise when I ran across a Chinese discussion <a href="http://cache.tianya.cn/publicforum/content/funinfo/1/1027375.shtml" target="_blank">board</a> that made reference to my blog (my old one too in fact). As I scrolled through the comments I realized that they were writing about a lot of the blogs that I know. When I tried use Google to find more similar discussions nothing came up, including the original thread.</font></p>
<p align="justify"><font color="#000000">So, sadly, I can only report to you on what was on that one page. It&#8217;s pretty interesting, but may not be representative of anything else out there.<br />
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<p align="justify"><font color="#000000">Here&#8217;s what they had to say about some sites and people you might know from the blog world. And if anyone from one of these boards is reading this, I strongly encourage you to comment on my posts in English or Chinese. It is great to get a wider range of viewpoints.</font></p>
<p align="justify"><font color="#000000"><strong>On CupOfCha:</strong></font></p>
<blockquote><p><font color="#000000">这一位呢，思想比较简单，对咱们又这样那样的偏见，很显然被西方洗脑比较严重哈哈。。。不过我喜欢他博客的背景。。。简单清新。。。。&#8221;</font></p></blockquote>
<p align="justify"><font color="#000000">Roughly translated as: &#8220;This guy&#8217;s thoughts are fairly simplistic, he criticizes China a lot (&#8220;is prejudiced against us&#8221; might be more accurate). Evidently he has been severely brainwashed by the West&#8230;But I do like the backdrop of the blog&#8230;It&#8217;s simple and clean&#8230;&#8221;</font></p>
<p align="justify"><font color="#000000">They LOVE me! They really Love me! My backdrop is nice and clean! </font></p>
<p align="justify"><font color="#000000">They only disappointing part of this analysis is that I&#8217;m not sure what posts the he/she is referring to. That would be helpful to get a better sense of what this author means. Following the comment a few people wrote &#8220;mark,&#8221; which might mean that they agree, but I&#8217;m not sure.</font></p>
<p align="justify"><font color="#000000"><strong>On posts from my old <a href="http://www.chinaexpat.com/blog/josh/2007/08/27/what-sparked-racism-discussion.html" target="_blank">blog</a> and <a href="http://www.thechinaexpat.com/racism-in-china/" target="_blank">The China Expat</a> on racism in China:</strong></font></p>
<blockquote><p><font color="#000000">刚才看了，看的还是比较仔细，花了我一个多小时<br />
他们的结论是：中国人尤其对黑人歧视，甚至有一个叫le的宣称中国是种族歧视最严重的国家，比欧洲国家更甚。<br />
最不最严重，我不敢说，但是种族歧视的确是有的。我想很多人多多少少都有这么一个倾向，虽然嘴里不说。欧美国家种族歧视应该也是很严重，但由于为了保持 自己的政治正确性，他们也只是暗地里表现出来或者借着某种冠冕堂皇的理由，而他们在文中提到的中国人的种族歧视行为比较直百也只是因为中国不想他们以前那 样种族歧视那么严重。</font></p></blockquote>
<p align="justify"><font color="#000000">This was posted by &#8220;</font><font color="#000000" size="-1">沉默火山</font><font color="#000000">&#8220;. It&#8217;s pretty long, so I&#8217;ll give a quick rundown. It concludes that most of the comments indicate foreigners seem to believe Chinese tend to be racist against black people. The author says some foreigners have gone on so far as to declare that China is one of the worst offenders in the world.</font></p>
<p align="justify"><font color="#000000">The poster admits that there is racism in China, but believes it is also quite serious elsewhere. One explanation that the blogger seems to give for the perception about China is that Westerners are less likely to express what the think if it might offend people, instead bowing to political correctness. It also seems to be saying that Chinese might be less cautious with their words because the country does not see itself as having the types of race relation problems that the US and Europe have had.</font></p>
<p align="justify"><font color="#000000">Another interesting exchange centered on the a voracious poster who has dubbed himself &#8220;nanheyangrouchuan.&#8221; His name is supposed to describe a Xinjiang meal, but the first time I saw it I focused in on the &#8216;grouch&#8217; bit, and that pretty much sums the guy up. He hates China, complaining endlessly about it. About this man &#8220;ZXiang&#8221; wrote:</font></p>
<blockquote><p><font color="#000000">这个nanheyangrouchuan 是个美国人，是个反华分子，还是个大男人主义和种族主义者。中国在他眼里永远是“bad,bad china”，他的言论也引起其他老外的不满^^认为他是不是美国政府的“5$党”<br />
,哈哈就是我们老说的美国聘请一些懂中文的在中国论坛上散播XX言论。。。他们在讨论要不要封了他的IP</font></p></blockquote>
<p align="justify"><font color="#000000">Basically the point is that naheyangrouchuan (NHYRC) is anti-China, a male chauvinist, and a racist. Furthermore, the poster claims that the foreigner community is not too keen on the guy, and says that he might be a government agent or something (I&#8217;m not clear what &#8217;5$&#8217; is short-hand for, and it&#8217;s slightly ambiguous whether he is says <em>he</em> believes that, or foreigners suspect it). </font></p>
<p align="justify"><font color="#000000">To back up the community&#8217;s distaste for NHYRC ZXiang includes the entire content of a post from China Law Blog about the guy. You can find the original post <a href="http://www.chinalawblog.com/2007/10/famous_china_troll_nanheyangro.html" target="_blank">here</a> [apologies, this link should be working now].<br />
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<p align="justify"><font color="#000000">Speaking of CLB, which they describe simply as &#8220;Dan的blog,&#8221; ZXiang seems to like it a lot:</font></p>
<blockquote><p><font color="#000000">我个人比较喜欢这个老外的博客，因为他看中国社会中存在的各种问题比其他老外多了一份理解。希望西方能给中国时间，让中国人用自己的方式，途径解决各种问题。。。。</font></p></blockquote>
<p align="justify"><font color="#000000">He believes that Dan sees China as having the same kinds of problems as other societies. ZXiang argues that Dan understands China better than other foreigners because CLB makes the case that the West needs to give China more time to do things their own way (presumably reform). Apparently CLB has the most informed view of China. I wonder if he knows Dan lives in Seattle. (BTW- <a href="http://www.chinalawblog.com/2007/11/vote_china_law_blog_pretty_ple.html" target="_blank">Vote</a> for CLB!!)</font></p>
<p align="justify">If I get more time I&#8217;ll try to run down some of the other comments up there, but for now that&#8217;s all I can do.</p>
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