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	<title>Comments on: Liu Xiang Critics Bring Shame to China</title>
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		<title>By: Chuck</title>
		<link>http://cupofcha.com/2008/08/19/liu-xiang-critics-bring-shamechina.html#comment-3035</link>
		<dc:creator>Chuck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Aug 2008 12:04:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think people with this viewpoint are a tiny minority, at least from reading Tianya after this happened.  99% were completely supportive.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think people with this viewpoint are a tiny minority, at least from reading Tianya after this happened.  99% were completely supportive.</p>
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		<title>By: Ben Ross</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ben Ross</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Aug 2008 04:23:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I've always wondered what would have happened had Liu Xiang not been injured, but failed to repeat the gold medal.  What if he had gotten the bronze, or even no medal at all?  In my book, his win at Athens should have been enough to seal his legacy regardless, and I think a lot of Chinese people would have felt the same way as well.  But you wonder what the reaction would have been had Liu been healthy, but not won the gold.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve always wondered what would have happened had Liu Xiang not been injured, but failed to repeat the gold medal.  What if he had gotten the bronze, or even no medal at all?  In my book, his win at Athens should have been enough to seal his legacy regardless, and I think a lot of Chinese people would have felt the same way as well.  But you wonder what the reaction would have been had Liu been healthy, but not won the gold.</p>
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		<title>By: nanheyangrouchuan</title>
		<link>http://cupofcha.com/2008/08/19/liu-xiang-critics-bring-shamechina.html#comment-3028</link>
		<dc:creator>nanheyangrouchuan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Aug 2008 17:23:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>China has a long record of ruining its athletes in the name of national glory.  Plenty of examples from the 80s and 90s exist and have been interviewed by the international press.

And as far as the China dominating the games, from a gold medals standpoint yes, but from an overall medals standpoint the US is still on top.  And that despite being hobbled by quite a few questionable decisions and the under 15 PRC little girls' gymnastics team.

Funny thing is the angry youth that are so quick to criticize Liu are typically so feeble they could neither jump over the hurdle nor move it out of the way by themselves.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>China has a long record of ruining its athletes in the name of national glory.  Plenty of examples from the 80s and 90s exist and have been interviewed by the international press.</p>
<p>And as far as the China dominating the games, from a gold medals standpoint yes, but from an overall medals standpoint the US is still on top.  And that despite being hobbled by quite a few questionable decisions and the under 15 PRC little girls&#8217; gymnastics team.</p>
<p>Funny thing is the angry youth that are so quick to criticize Liu are typically so feeble they could neither jump over the hurdle nor move it out of the way by themselves.</p>
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		<title>By: chineselives.info</title>
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		<dc:creator>chineselives.info</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Aug 2008 06:14:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Liu Xiang certainly would like to quit the Olympics in an early stage if he can be allowed to do so by the higher rank men in the sports system, i assume. He is in a awkward place,because he ran he lose and a shame, but he quit, will disappoint the nation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Liu Xiang certainly would like to quit the Olympics in an early stage if he can be allowed to do so by the higher rank men in the sports system, i assume. He is in a awkward place,because he ran he lose and a shame, but he quit, will disappoint the nation.</p>
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		<title>By: stuart</title>
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		<dc:creator>stuart</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Aug 2008 04:05:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It comes as no surprise to hear some unsympathetic responses to Liu's withdrawal, but China should feel even greater shame for blatantly exploiting underage gymnasts in its pursuit of Gold. They weren't the first, and they won't be the last, but it was cheating pure and simple.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It comes as no surprise to hear some unsympathetic responses to Liu&#8217;s withdrawal, but China should feel even greater shame for blatantly exploiting underage gymnasts in its pursuit of Gold. They weren&#8217;t the first, and they won&#8217;t be the last, but it was cheating pure and simple.</p>
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		<title>By: Pete Braden</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pete Braden</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Aug 2008 02:17:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>He's an investment. Taxes at work. How many tens of millions of yuan did China invest in each of its golds this year? And he has the gall not to deliver the goods?

That's the perspective that allows people to attack him. Reminds me of a story JFK used to tell about a guy who never dropped a fly ball, never got out stealing a base, never made a stupid mistake. Only problem was, he also never put down his beer and hotdog to go out on the field to play.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>He&#8217;s an investment. Taxes at work. How many tens of millions of yuan did China invest in each of its golds this year? And he has the gall not to deliver the goods?</p>
<p>That&#8217;s the perspective that allows people to attack him. Reminds me of a story JFK used to tell about a guy who never dropped a fly ball, never got out stealing a base, never made a stupid mistake. Only problem was, he also never put down his beer and hotdog to go out on the field to play.</p>
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		<title>By: Julie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Julie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Aug 2008 00:49:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with you. I thought I'd never see a human and sympathetic side of you on your blog.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with you. I thought I&#8217;d never see a human and sympathetic side of you on your blog.</p>
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		<title>By: saah</title>
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		<dc:creator>saah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Aug 2008 19:27:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Many Americans may have attacked Alicia Sacramone, but many many more could care less about her falls and love her just because she is hot.  (I heard statistics about this, her being hot is the number two web search right behind Michael Phelps or something like that.) Now what does that say about the USA?

Jeremy - I think you may be on to something when you said "Then again, maybe it’s us who just don’t get it."  We can't forget that this is a completely different culture, one that puts "losing face" way above pretty much anything else.  I agree with you, but I also understand how the Chinese may not.  But then again, I haven't even been to China yet, so all I know is from what I've been reading.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Many Americans may have attacked Alicia Sacramone, but many many more could care less about her falls and love her just because she is hot.  (I heard statistics about this, her being hot is the number two web search right behind Michael Phelps or something like that.) Now what does that say about the USA?</p>
<p>Jeremy - I think you may be on to something when you said &#8220;Then again, maybe it’s us who just don’t get it.&#8221;  We can&#8217;t forget that this is a completely different culture, one that puts &#8220;losing face&#8221; way above pretty much anything else.  I agree with you, but I also understand how the Chinese may not.  But then again, I haven&#8217;t even been to China yet, so all I know is from what I&#8217;ve been reading.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Aug 2008 16:13:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You are absolutely 100% right.  The guy is an Olympic champion.  Does anyone really believe he would not have gutted it out if there had been any way he could have done so?  On top of everything else, these people who are angry know nothing about sports.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You are absolutely 100% right.  The guy is an Olympic champion.  Does anyone really believe he would not have gutted it out if there had been any way he could have done so?  On top of everything else, these people who are angry know nothing about sports.</p>
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		<title>By: Elana</title>
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		<dc:creator>Elana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Aug 2008 15:36:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here's the NY Times' more sympathetic to the nation take on it:
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/19/sports/olympics/19vecsey.html?_r=1&#38;scp=1&#38;sq=Pain%20Travels%20Far%20Beyond%20a%20National%20Hero%92s%20Leg&#38;st=cse&#38;oref=slogin</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s the NY Times&#8217; more sympathetic to the nation take on it:<br />
<a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/19/sports/olympics/19vecsey.html?_r=1&amp;scp=1&amp;sq=Pain%20Travels%20Far%20Beyond%20a%20National%20Hero%92s%20Leg&amp;st=cse&amp;oref=slogin" rel="nofollow">http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/19/sports/olympics/19vecsey.html?_r=1&amp;scp=1&amp;sq=Pain%20Travels%20Far%20Beyond%20a%20National%20Hero%92s%20Leg&amp;st=cse&amp;oref=slogin</a></p>
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