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	<title>Comments on: Ready is a Relative Term</title>
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	<pubDate>Tue, 02 Dec 2008 00:36:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: nanheyangrouchuan</title>
		<link>http://cupofcha.com/2008/06/05/ready-is-a-relative-term.html#comment-1682</link>
		<dc:creator>nanheyangrouchuan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Jun 2008 13:50:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It's gonna be great to watch this Olympics crash and burn!  And the IOC will get what is coming to it as well.  Even better will be the countless emails and blogs from Olympic tourists and athletes!  The best will be a big han riot when the Japanese men's soccer team whips the Chinese.  Oh, and all of those black track athletes!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s gonna be great to watch this Olympics crash and burn!  And the IOC will get what is coming to it as well.  Even better will be the countless emails and blogs from Olympic tourists and athletes!  The best will be a big han riot when the Japanese men&#8217;s soccer team whips the Chinese.  Oh, and all of those black track athletes!</p>
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		<title>By: michael</title>
		<link>http://cupofcha.com/2008/06/05/ready-is-a-relative-term.html#comment-1545</link>
		<dc:creator>michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jun 2008 06:11:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, the outside of the of the CCTV building should be finished by the Olympics, which is what really counts anyway, right?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, the outside of the of the CCTV building should be finished by the Olympics, which is what really counts anyway, right?</p>
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		<title>By: Jeremiah</title>
		<link>http://cupofcha.com/2008/06/05/ready-is-a-relative-term.html#comment-1513</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeremiah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Jun 2008 06:23:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I've whinged about this before, but when I go to a foreign country I don't expect the cabbies to speak my language, but I DO EXPECT that they'll know basic locations and how to read addresses and/or maps.  The problem in August won't be cabbies not understanding their passengers, it will be the utter dismay of foreign visitors when they realize that things likes "being able to read an address," "owning a map," and "knowing how to get there" are not included in the service charge for Beijing taxis.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve whinged about this before, but when I go to a foreign country I don&#8217;t expect the cabbies to speak my language, but I DO EXPECT that they&#8217;ll know basic locations and how to read addresses and/or maps.  The problem in August won&#8217;t be cabbies not understanding their passengers, it will be the utter dismay of foreign visitors when they realize that things likes &#8220;being able to read an address,&#8221; &#8220;owning a map,&#8221; and &#8220;knowing how to get there&#8221; are not included in the service charge for Beijing taxis.</p>
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		<title>By: Ying Jia</title>
		<link>http://cupofcha.com/2008/06/05/ready-is-a-relative-term.html#comment-1510</link>
		<dc:creator>Ying Jia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jun 2008 06:40:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don't worry about Beijing taxi drivers not being able to deal with foreigners and speak English. The truth is, there aren't going to BE any foreigners at this Olympics.  The hotels will be full of Chinese, not foreign tourists.  As for the CCTV9 Tower, it was never scheduled for completion until December anyway. Seeing a laowai at the Olympics who isn't a member of the IOC or a foreign government official is going to be like trying to find a pathway in Ritan Park that hasn't beeen spat upon. The Beijing Olympics, despite what you may think, is not an event where foreigners are even welcome. So stay at home, laowais, and watch it on TV. 'Coz you won't be watching it live in Beijing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don&#8217;t worry about Beijing taxi drivers not being able to deal with foreigners and speak English. The truth is, there aren&#8217;t going to BE any foreigners at this Olympics.  The hotels will be full of Chinese, not foreign tourists.  As for the CCTV9 Tower, it was never scheduled for completion until December anyway. Seeing a laowai at the Olympics who isn&#8217;t a member of the IOC or a foreign government official is going to be like trying to find a pathway in Ritan Park that hasn&#8217;t beeen spat upon. The Beijing Olympics, despite what you may think, is not an event where foreigners are even welcome. So stay at home, laowais, and watch it on TV. &#8216;Coz you won&#8217;t be watching it live in Beijing.</p>
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		<title>By: Chip</title>
		<link>http://cupofcha.com/2008/06/05/ready-is-a-relative-term.html#comment-1509</link>
		<dc:creator>Chip</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jun 2008 02:15:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hopi,

About the language thing, it is not foreigners demanding Chinese speak english, it's chinese demanding themselves to speak english, and then making rediculous claims like there are more english speakers in China than in America.  However, the exit/entry administration SHOULD speak english, that's common sense.  Taxis shouldn't, but then again they promised they would by 2008.  Nobody else should have to speak english, but nonetheless they futily try.  The culprit here is not arrogant foreigners, but rather the entire curriculum of the Chinese education system that wastes valueable resources in a language that 99.9% of the populace will never use, rather than making sure that 99.9% of the populace speaks decent mandarin, which so far isn't happening.  China could use a bit more self-confidence in their own language.  Japan and Korea are amazingly prosperous and powerful countries, and yet the english level of their populace sucks as well.  France is another great example of a country that could care less about English, because they know they'll do fine without.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hopi,</p>
<p>About the language thing, it is not foreigners demanding Chinese speak english, it&#8217;s chinese demanding themselves to speak english, and then making rediculous claims like there are more english speakers in China than in America.  However, the exit/entry administration SHOULD speak english, that&#8217;s common sense.  Taxis shouldn&#8217;t, but then again they promised they would by 2008.  Nobody else should have to speak english, but nonetheless they futily try.  The culprit here is not arrogant foreigners, but rather the entire curriculum of the Chinese education system that wastes valueable resources in a language that 99.9% of the populace will never use, rather than making sure that 99.9% of the populace speaks decent mandarin, which so far isn&#8217;t happening.  China could use a bit more self-confidence in their own language.  Japan and Korea are amazingly prosperous and powerful countries, and yet the english level of their populace sucks as well.  France is another great example of a country that could care less about English, because they know they&#8217;ll do fine without.</p>
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		<title>By: Jia</title>
		<link>http://cupofcha.com/2008/06/05/ready-is-a-relative-term.html#comment-1508</link>
		<dc:creator>Jia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jun 2008 18:59:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am just guessing that there will be more university students around as volunteers during the Olympics.  I went to Athens to watch the Gymnastics team final in 2004. A lot of locals don't speak English either, but you only need to point the map and smile to them. They will smile back and try to point the direction to you.  It's not easy, but only if you try. And I have been to France, even they know English, they still insist on speaking in French.( Our Chinese fellow really likes to talk to you in English, only if he knows how)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am just guessing that there will be more university students around as volunteers during the Olympics.  I went to Athens to watch the Gymnastics team final in 2004. A lot of locals don&#8217;t speak English either, but you only need to point the map and smile to them. They will smile back and try to point the direction to you.  It&#8217;s not easy, but only if you try. And I have been to France, even they know English, they still insist on speaking in French.( Our Chinese fellow really likes to talk to you in English, only if he knows how)</p>
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		<title>By: Yokie Kuma</title>
		<link>http://cupofcha.com/2008/06/05/ready-is-a-relative-term.html#comment-1507</link>
		<dc:creator>Yokie Kuma</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jun 2008 07:42:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@everyone:  maybe we need to develop a "rules" book for foreigners that is serious and helpful ..... not sarcastic just factual .... similar to the "point and smile and point and smile" comment .... it works.  And not insulting or accusatory or opinionated .... just facts on what works and what doesn't.  

1) In restaurants, when confusion arises, just smile and point and smile and point
2) Be sure to have your passport when you check into your hotel, no matter where, they will check
3) Exchange your RMB back to your home country currency before you get back to your home country.
4) Don't try to bring up political conversations with your Chinese hosts.  Remember the adage about religion and politics and acceptable conversations
5) Look both ways when crossing the street.  Look both ways when crossing a bike path or walking path as well.
6) Bring paper napkins or tissue paper when you go out .... the restaurants won't have any in the bathroom and will charge you for them at your table
7) Taxi drivers will give you change (but sometimes you must ask for it)
8) Conversations in Chinese sometimes sound like arguments but aren't
9) At the airport, bus station, ferry station, etc., it is always better to take the legitimate taxi vs the private taxi
10) Hot tea after a meal will help cut the oil that you just ate

I know there's more .....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@everyone:  maybe we need to develop a &#8220;rules&#8221; book for foreigners that is serious and helpful &#8230;.. not sarcastic just factual &#8230;. similar to the &#8220;point and smile and point and smile&#8221; comment &#8230;. it works.  And not insulting or accusatory or opinionated &#8230;. just facts on what works and what doesn&#8217;t.  </p>
<p>1) In restaurants, when confusion arises, just smile and point and smile and point<br />
2) Be sure to have your passport when you check into your hotel, no matter where, they will check<br />
3) Exchange your RMB back to your home country currency before you get back to your home country.<br />
4) Don&#8217;t try to bring up political conversations with your Chinese hosts.  Remember the adage about religion and politics and acceptable conversations<br />
5) Look both ways when crossing the street.  Look both ways when crossing a bike path or walking path as well.<br />
6) Bring paper napkins or tissue paper when you go out &#8230;. the restaurants won&#8217;t have any in the bathroom and will charge you for them at your table<br />
7) Taxi drivers will give you change (but sometimes you must ask for it)<br />
 <img src='http://cupofcha.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_cool.gif' alt='8)' class='wp-smiley' /> Conversations in Chinese sometimes sound like arguments but aren&#8217;t<br />
9) At the airport, bus station, ferry station, etc., it is always better to take the legitimate taxi vs the private taxi<br />
10) Hot tea after a meal will help cut the oil that you just ate</p>
<p>I know there&#8217;s more &#8230;..</p>
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		<title>By: Glen</title>
		<link>http://cupofcha.com/2008/06/05/ready-is-a-relative-term.html#comment-1506</link>
		<dc:creator>Glen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jun 2008 04:33:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It's not about the fact that we expect Chinese people to speak English. It's true that the attitude in America is "Speak English or get out." What I don't understand is why Chinese people keep talking to people who clearly cannot understand them and get it really complicated and messy. Things can be handled easier. 

China should have bid on the Olympics in about 15-20 years. The country would have been more ready. 

Additionally, the new "image" that China wanted to present is getting lost. The visa procedures have gotten more complex. Tourism numbers are actually DROPPING because of this. What's the point of the Olympics? The new "rules" book that was issued for foreigners was only written in Chinese. It's crazy and embarrassing. I'm saying this as a foreigner who really loves China.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s not about the fact that we expect Chinese people to speak English. It&#8217;s true that the attitude in America is &#8220;Speak English or get out.&#8221; What I don&#8217;t understand is why Chinese people keep talking to people who clearly cannot understand them and get it really complicated and messy. Things can be handled easier. </p>
<p>China should have bid on the Olympics in about 15-20 years. The country would have been more ready. </p>
<p>Additionally, the new &#8220;image&#8221; that China wanted to present is getting lost. The visa procedures have gotten more complex. Tourism numbers are actually DROPPING because of this. What&#8217;s the point of the Olympics? The new &#8220;rules&#8221; book that was issued for foreigners was only written in Chinese. It&#8217;s crazy and embarrassing. I&#8217;m saying this as a foreigner who really loves China.</p>
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		<title>By: Pappi</title>
		<link>http://cupofcha.com/2008/06/05/ready-is-a-relative-term.html#comment-1505</link>
		<dc:creator>Pappi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jun 2008 04:00:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Dan

The plan was definitely to be finished by the Olympics:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CCTV_Headquarters
http://www.designbuild-network.com/projects/cctv/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Dan</p>
<p>The plan was definitely to be finished by the Olympics:</p>
<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CCTV_Headquarters" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CCTV_Headquarters</a><br />
<a href="http://www.designbuild-network.com/projects/cctv/" rel="nofollow">http://www.designbuild-network.com/projects/cctv/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Bobby</title>
		<link>http://cupofcha.com/2008/06/05/ready-is-a-relative-term.html#comment-1503</link>
		<dc:creator>Bobby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jun 2008 03:53:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Hopi

Don't sentences 

"So the powers that be have two months to prove the naysayers wrong. In the meantime we all watch and wonder."

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Hopi</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t sentences </p>
<p>&#8220;So the powers that be have two months to prove the naysayers wrong. In the meantime we all watch and wonder.&#8221;</p>
<p>pretty much address your latter criticism?</p>
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