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	<title>Comments on: Clinton&#8217;s Dangerous China Stance</title>
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	<pubDate>Thu, 16 Oct 2008 04:41:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Matthew Stinson</title>
		<link>http://cupofcha.com/2008/04/21/clintons-dangerous-china-stance.html#comment-1213</link>
		<dc:creator>Matthew Stinson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Apr 2008 16:19:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Josh, the ban all toys flap isn't the worst of Obama's China comments, but he &lt;em&gt;did&lt;/em&gt; say "I would stop the import of all toys from China" on the stump (not in debate) and he had to &lt;a&gt;retract/clarify that exact declaration&lt;/a&gt;.  What Obama is doing on China is talking like Clinton, but hedging a bit around the edges.

In his defense, at least he's not trying to &lt;a href="http://www.reuters.com/article/newsOne/idUSN2224332720080422" rel="nofollow"&gt;out-McCain McCain&lt;/a&gt; in other foreign policy arenas.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Josh, the ban all toys flap isn&#8217;t the worst of Obama&#8217;s China comments, but he <em>did</em> say &#8220;I would stop the import of all toys from China&#8221; on the stump (not in debate) and he had to <a>retract/clarify that exact declaration</a>.  What Obama is doing on China is talking like Clinton, but hedging a bit around the edges.</p>
<p>In his defense, at least he&#8217;s not trying to <a href="http://www.reuters.com/article/newsOne/idUSN2224332720080422" rel="nofollow">out-McCain McCain</a> in other foreign policy arenas.</p>
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		<title>By: Peanut Butter</title>
		<link>http://cupofcha.com/2008/04/21/clintons-dangerous-china-stance.html#comment-1209</link>
		<dc:creator>Peanut Butter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Apr 2008 09:41:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Clinton made a good call. This idea that we should tip-toe around the Chinese in the hope of appearing unthreatening so that they'll be convinced to do what we want them to do is nonsense. The weaker and more pandering you appear, the less anyone respects you, this is a universal rule and applies to China as much as anywhere else. I'm tired of us babying the Chinese.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Clinton made a good call. This idea that we should tip-toe around the Chinese in the hope of appearing unthreatening so that they&#8217;ll be convinced to do what we want them to do is nonsense. The weaker and more pandering you appear, the less anyone respects you, this is a universal rule and applies to China as much as anywhere else. I&#8217;m tired of us babying the Chinese.</p>
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		<title>By: Josh</title>
		<link>http://cupofcha.com/2008/04/21/clintons-dangerous-china-stance.html#comment-1201</link>
		<dc:creator>Josh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Apr 2008 12:35:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You might want to double check the "ban all Chinese toys" comment. Even on the site you gave it is clear what he meant, but just in case, here is the quote from the December 4 debate which I have posted on this site:

"I would, say, 'Toys, they cannot come in.' Food, Japan, they have set up their own inspection standards in China, and they say, 'unless you meet our inspection standards, you cannot ship in here. If we don’t have labor agreements and environmental standards that are enforceable, there are consequences.'" 

Stopping the importation of goods until they meet safety standards...not that crazy.
(minute 43 of the debate: &lt;a href="http://cupofcha.com/2007/12/09/democrats-talk-china-in-npr-debtate.html" rel="nofollow"&gt;here)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You might want to double check the &#8220;ban all Chinese toys&#8221; comment. Even on the site you gave it is clear what he meant, but just in case, here is the quote from the December 4 debate which I have posted on this site:</p>
<p>&#8220;I would, say, &#8216;Toys, they cannot come in.&#8217; Food, Japan, they have set up their own inspection standards in China, and they say, &#8216;unless you meet our inspection standards, you cannot ship in here. If we don’t have labor agreements and environmental standards that are enforceable, there are consequences.&#8217;&#8221; </p>
<p>Stopping the importation of goods until they meet safety standards&#8230;not that crazy.<br />
(minute 43 of the debate: <a href="http://cupofcha.com/2007/12/09/democrats-talk-china-in-npr-debtate.html" rel="nofollow">here)</a></p>
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		<title>By: Matthew Stinson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matthew Stinson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Apr 2008 11:55:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I tend to agree with Glen here.  Hillary and Obama are a distinction without a difference when it comes to China.

Obama has also &lt;a href="http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080410/ap_on_el_pr/candidates_olympics" rel="nofollow"&gt;called on Bush&lt;/a&gt; to strongly consider boycotting the opening ceremonies.

Obama has similarly &lt;a href="http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/79038ED7-E9C4-41F8-94D4-6CB500459A4B.htm" rel="nofollow"&gt;threatened to "shut off Chinese access" to American markets&lt;/a&gt; if China doesn't revaluate the RMB faster.

Remember also that Obama has shot his mouth off about China before, only to fall back to a more moderate position.  Do you recall the &lt;a href="http://network.nationalpost.com/np/blogs/posted/archive/2007/12/19/stop-the-import-of-all-toys-from-china-obama.aspx" rel="nofollow"&gt;"ban all Chinese toys" comment&lt;/a&gt; just before Christmas?

Now, I don't expect a lot to come from either candidate's rhetoric in turns of policy.  After all, I seem to remember that the first candidate Clinton in 1992 accused the first president Bush of "coddling the butchers in Beijing" and having too liberal a trade policy, but then went on as president to be cozy with Beijing, save for the 1999 embassy bombing incident.  Hillary or Barack or John would be more of the same.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I tend to agree with Glen here.  Hillary and Obama are a distinction without a difference when it comes to China.</p>
<p>Obama has also <a href="http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080410/ap_on_el_pr/candidates_olympics" rel="nofollow">called on Bush</a> to strongly consider boycotting the opening ceremonies.</p>
<p>Obama has similarly <a href="http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/79038ED7-E9C4-41F8-94D4-6CB500459A4B.htm" rel="nofollow">threatened to &#8220;shut off Chinese access&#8221; to American markets</a> if China doesn&#8217;t revaluate the RMB faster.</p>
<p>Remember also that Obama has shot his mouth off about China before, only to fall back to a more moderate position.  Do you recall the <a href="http://network.nationalpost.com/np/blogs/posted/archive/2007/12/19/stop-the-import-of-all-toys-from-china-obama.aspx" rel="nofollow">&#8220;ban all Chinese toys&#8221; comment</a> just before Christmas?</p>
<p>Now, I don&#8217;t expect a lot to come from either candidate&#8217;s rhetoric in turns of policy.  After all, I seem to remember that the first candidate Clinton in 1992 accused the first president Bush of &#8220;coddling the butchers in Beijing&#8221; and having too liberal a trade policy, but then went on as president to be cozy with Beijing, save for the 1999 embassy bombing incident.  Hillary or Barack or John would be more of the same.</p>
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		<title>By: Glen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Glen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Apr 2008 05:49:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice free plug for your boy (Obama). While I was disappointed by Sen. Clinton's comments, they are not totally out of left field. Her trade policies would be far more beneficial for the U.S. - China relationship than Sen. Obama's would be. 

Really, none of the Presidential candidates is discussing China and that's a shame. They don't want to make promises that they'll have to retract later.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice free plug for your boy (Obama). While I was disappointed by Sen. Clinton&#8217;s comments, they are not totally out of left field. Her trade policies would be far more beneficial for the U.S. - China relationship than Sen. Obama&#8217;s would be. </p>
<p>Really, none of the Presidential candidates is discussing China and that&#8217;s a shame. They don&#8217;t want to make promises that they&#8217;ll have to retract later.</p>
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