Comments on: The Tibetan，Taiwanese Terrorists and the Scourge of Nationalism http://cupofcha.com/2008/04/12/the-t1betan%ef%bc%8ctaiwanese-terrorists-and-the-scourge-of-nationalism.html This is China Fri, 25 Jul 2008 05:50:27 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.5.1 By: nanheyangrouchuan http://cupofcha.com/2008/04/12/the-t1betan%ef%bc%8ctaiwanese-terrorists-and-the-scourge-of-nationalism.html#comment-1125 nanheyangrouchuan Mon, 14 Apr 2008 03:57:56 +0000 http://cupofcha.com/2008/04/12/the-t1betan%ef%bc%8ctaiwanese-terrorists-and-the-scourge-of-nationalism.html#comment-1125 This is the true nature of China's ugly bloggers: http://asiasentinel.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1145&Itemid=31 http://www.asiasentinel.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1148&Itemid=31 This is the true nature of China’s ugly bloggers:

http://asiasentinel.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1145&Itemid=31

http://www.asiasentinel.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1148&Itemid=31

]]> By: Rhys http://cupofcha.com/2008/04/12/the-t1betan%ef%bc%8ctaiwanese-terrorists-and-the-scourge-of-nationalism.html#comment-1124 Rhys Mon, 14 Apr 2008 03:55:53 +0000 http://cupofcha.com/2008/04/12/the-t1betan%ef%bc%8ctaiwanese-terrorists-and-the-scourge-of-nationalism.html#comment-1124 A great post. Very astute. In regards to Janus' question - and maybe I am too positive here, but I think overall everything is on a good path, notwithstanding the current tension. Few people outside of Australians would have heard that our PM got up and gave a speech in Madarin at Peking Uni last week. He discussed Australia' s firm friendship with with China, but also made mention (politely) of the fact that there were concerns regarding human rights in Tibet (though he stressed this was inside the bounds of friendship.) This is the first time a western leader has done such a thing on Chinese soil in their own language - but it won't be the last. As more and more westerners study/work in China and develop a more sophisticated understanding of the country and mentality, and more and more Chinese do the same in western countries, mutual understanding can only grow. The key word here is engagement. And I think China and western countries are already a lot further down that path, in terms of trade and migration than we sometimes realise. Mutual understanding can't be too far behind, though there is still a long way to go and, I'm sure some tense moments, And though it is rare for me to be impressed by a prime minister, I was impressed by Kevin Rudd. Instead of finger pointing, he was helping to build dialogue. And amazingly, though he was criticized, he also got a certain amount of grudging respect. There are leaders in China, and other countries, who will do the same. God I sound like a hippy. But I really do see it. A great post. Very astute. In regards to Janus’ question - and maybe I am too positive here, but I think overall everything is on a good path, notwithstanding the current tension.
Few people outside of Australians would have heard that our PM got up and gave a speech in Madarin at Peking Uni last week. He discussed Australia’ s firm friendship with with China, but also made mention (politely) of the fact that there were concerns regarding human rights in Tibet (though he stressed this was inside the bounds of friendship.)
This is the first time a western leader has done such a thing on Chinese soil in their own language - but it won’t be the last. As more and more westerners study/work in China and develop a more sophisticated understanding of the country and mentality, and more and more Chinese do the same in western countries, mutual understanding can only grow. The key word here is engagement. And I think China and western countries are already a lot further down that path, in terms of trade and migration than we sometimes realise. Mutual understanding can’t be too far behind, though there is still a long way to go and, I’m sure some tense moments,
And though it is rare for me to be impressed by a prime minister, I was impressed by Kevin Rudd. Instead of finger pointing, he was helping to build dialogue. And amazingly, though he was criticized, he also got a certain amount of grudging respect. There are leaders in China, and other countries, who will do the same.
God I sound like a hippy. But I really do see it.

]]> By: Janus http://cupofcha.com/2008/04/12/the-t1betan%ef%bc%8ctaiwanese-terrorists-and-the-scourge-of-nationalism.html#comment-1122 Janus Mon, 14 Apr 2008 01:29:44 +0000 http://cupofcha.com/2008/04/12/the-t1betan%ef%bc%8ctaiwanese-terrorists-and-the-scourge-of-nationalism.html#comment-1122 This point is spot on, and nicely puts into words the thoughts I have been struggling to express with my own peabrain. The next question, then, is what can be done to encourage the end of the unhealthy fusion of national identity and state policy? This point is spot on, and nicely puts into words the thoughts I have been struggling to express with my own peabrain.

The next question, then, is what can be done to encourage the end of the unhealthy fusion of national identity and state policy?

]]> By: J B http://cupofcha.com/2008/04/12/the-t1betan%ef%bc%8ctaiwanese-terrorists-and-the-scourge-of-nationalism.html#comment-1117 J B Sun, 13 Apr 2008 07:29:26 +0000 http://cupofcha.com/2008/04/12/the-t1betan%ef%bc%8ctaiwanese-terrorists-and-the-scourge-of-nationalism.html#comment-1117 You sum up my own thoughts very well, except for one important point. I found that once I got to know people in China, they were almost always critical of the government. I think the CCP knows they cannot make people believe them when it comes to domestic problems involving Hans- that is to say, people won't trust news that contradicts what's in front of their eyes, or when they feel victimized (eg, protesting the maglev in Shanghai because of radiation). The CCP compensates with doing what you talk about- instilling fear. This is a classic dictatorial strategy, and it is working wonderfully for the CCP, as it temporarily did for Bush. You sum up my own thoughts very well, except for one important point. I found that once I got to know people in China, they were almost always critical of the government. I think the CCP knows they cannot make people believe them when it comes to domestic problems involving Hans- that is to say, people won’t trust news that contradicts what’s in front of their eyes, or when they feel victimized (eg, protesting the maglev in Shanghai because of radiation). The CCP compensates with doing what you talk about- instilling fear. This is a classic dictatorial strategy, and it is working wonderfully for the CCP, as it temporarily did for Bush.

]]> By: duckoutofwater http://cupofcha.com/2008/04/12/the-t1betan%ef%bc%8ctaiwanese-terrorists-and-the-scourge-of-nationalism.html#comment-1116 duckoutofwater Sun, 13 Apr 2008 04:56:07 +0000 http://cupofcha.com/2008/04/12/the-t1betan%ef%bc%8ctaiwanese-terrorists-and-the-scourge-of-nationalism.html#comment-1116 great post, josh. i, too, have spoken with young, educated Chinese people only to discover the same as you. It is so difficult to find common ground in conversation when they cling so tightly to gov't generated 'nationalism'. great post, josh. i, too, have spoken with young, educated Chinese people only to discover the same as you. It is so difficult to find common ground in conversation when they cling so tightly to gov’t generated ‘nationalism’.

]]> By: jenny http://cupofcha.com/2008/04/12/the-t1betan%ef%bc%8ctaiwanese-terrorists-and-the-scourge-of-nationalism.html#comment-1115 jenny Sun, 13 Apr 2008 03:50:41 +0000 http://cupofcha.com/2008/04/12/the-t1betan%ef%bc%8ctaiwanese-terrorists-and-the-scourge-of-nationalism.html#comment-1115 still reading, but want to say that regarding your Economist quote, Siew is Taiwan's *vice*-president elect, and that Ma is the incoming president. i just found your blog through nick's blog and am happy i did! looking forward to reading your writing...-jenny still reading, but want to say that regarding your Economist quote, Siew is Taiwan’s *vice*-president elect, and that Ma is the incoming president.

i just found your blog through nick’s blog and am happy i did! looking forward to reading your writing…-jenny

]]> By: Bobby http://cupofcha.com/2008/04/12/the-t1betan%ef%bc%8ctaiwanese-terrorists-and-the-scourge-of-nationalism.html#comment-1114 Bobby Sun, 13 Apr 2008 02:21:26 +0000 http://cupofcha.com/2008/04/12/the-t1betan%ef%bc%8ctaiwanese-terrorists-and-the-scourge-of-nationalism.html#comment-1114 Why on earth would Taiwan separatists attack Beijing during the Olympics? That would be begging for an attack. It seems more likely Beijing would stage one as a pretext. Why on earth would Taiwan separatists attack Beijing during the Olympics? That would be begging for an attack. It seems more likely Beijing would stage one as a pretext.

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