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		<title>By: Hehe</title>
		<link>http://cupofcha.com/2008/02/04/what-do-chinese-make-of-democracy.html#comment-703</link>
		<dc:creator>Hehe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Feb 2008 23:27:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So, you are effectively saying that "democracy" is neither a sufficient nor necessary condition for economic growth.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So, you are effectively saying that &#8220;democracy&#8221; is neither a sufficient nor necessary condition for economic growth.</p>
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		<title>By: nanheyangrouchuan</title>
		<link>http://cupofcha.com/2008/02/04/what-do-chinese-make-of-democracy.html#comment-681</link>
		<dc:creator>nanheyangrouchuan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Feb 2008 17:28:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There's only one "kebab", no substitutes exist, chinese copiers aren't that good.

S. Korea and Taiwan weren't dictatorships for the sake of economic development, they were military ruled countries because they had (and have) horrible neighbors who want to destroy them simply out of a lust for power, that is the key reason for them having those authoritarian governments.

As for Singapore, it got its head start as British colony, the current administration simply took over an established, successful international port and trade city.  And it would take real effort to screw that up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#8217;s only one &#8220;kebab&#8221;, no substitutes exist, chinese copiers aren&#8217;t that good.</p>
<p>S. Korea and Taiwan weren&#8217;t dictatorships for the sake of economic development, they were military ruled countries because they had (and have) horrible neighbors who want to destroy them simply out of a lust for power, that is the key reason for them having those authoritarian governments.</p>
<p>As for Singapore, it got its head start as British colony, the current administration simply took over an established, successful international port and trade city.  And it would take real effort to screw that up.</p>
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		<title>By: cc</title>
		<link>http://cupofcha.com/2008/02/04/what-do-chinese-make-of-democracy.html#comment-626</link>
		<dc:creator>cc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Feb 2008 14:41:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is this the real Kebab? You must be fake as "Kebab" now tries to use a bit reasoning in his comment. Insane! Where are your signature phrases? 

"How does the average Taiwanese person’s overall quality of life compare to the average Guangdongese/Chinese?"

Perhaps better, so what? Taiwan achieved its economic success mostly under an authoritarian rule, So did Korea(S).  Economics are not the only part of life, but very important especially for economies at a low level. Singapore is authoritarian, how do you compare the overall quality of life of a Singaporean with an Indian's, democratic Indian's?

The conclusion is that there is no conclusion! 

Singaporeans on average have better life than Indians, this does not necessarily mean authoritarian rule is better than democracy. By the same token, average life in Taiwan is better than the one on the Mainland, this is not a sufficient evidence to suggest that democracy is always better than authoritarian rule . 

The discussion of a political system must be put into context, often into many contexts.  The use of a blanket covering statement, such as "democratic is better than authoritarian, and every nation should have democracy, etc." is "too simple, too naive" at least, provided that the speaker(s) does not have a hidden agenda.

Sugar is sweet, but you could kill a diabetic with that stuff.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is this the real Kebab? You must be fake as &#8220;Kebab&#8221; now tries to use a bit reasoning in his comment. Insane! Where are your signature phrases? </p>
<p>&#8220;How does the average Taiwanese person’s overall quality of life compare to the average Guangdongese/Chinese?&#8221;</p>
<p>Perhaps better, so what? Taiwan achieved its economic success mostly under an authoritarian rule, So did Korea(S).  Economics are not the only part of life, but very important especially for economies at a low level. Singapore is authoritarian, how do you compare the overall quality of life of a Singaporean with an Indian&#8217;s, democratic Indian&#8217;s?</p>
<p>The conclusion is that there is no conclusion! </p>
<p>Singaporeans on average have better life than Indians, this does not necessarily mean authoritarian rule is better than democracy. By the same token, average life in Taiwan is better than the one on the Mainland, this is not a sufficient evidence to suggest that democracy is always better than authoritarian rule . </p>
<p>The discussion of a political system must be put into context, often into many contexts.  The use of a blanket covering statement, such as &#8220;democratic is better than authoritarian, and every nation should have democracy, etc.&#8221; is &#8220;too simple, too naive&#8221; at least, provided that the speaker(s) does not have a hidden agenda.</p>
<p>Sugar is sweet, but you could kill a diabetic with that stuff.</p>
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		<title>By: nanheyangrouchuan</title>
		<link>http://cupofcha.com/2008/02/04/what-do-chinese-make-of-democracy.html#comment-625</link>
		<dc:creator>nanheyangrouchuan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Feb 2008 09:15:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"It’s very simple, the two parties spend all their time trying to get the other side down instead of improving people’s bottom line."

@Beijinger and others

How does the average Taiwanese person's overall quality of life compare to the average Guangdongese/Chinese?  

Turkey seems to enjoy a pretty stable democracy despite not having a very high GDP, that GDP stuff is just another weak excuse by scared old men in Beijing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;It’s very simple, the two parties spend all their time trying to get the other side down instead of improving people’s bottom line.&#8221;</p>
<p>@Beijinger and others</p>
<p>How does the average Taiwanese person&#8217;s overall quality of life compare to the average Guangdongese/Chinese?  </p>
<p>Turkey seems to enjoy a pretty stable democracy despite not having a very high GDP, that GDP stuff is just another weak excuse by scared old men in Beijing.</p>
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		<title>By: Merlin</title>
		<link>http://cupofcha.com/2008/02/04/what-do-chinese-make-of-democracy.html#comment-623</link>
		<dc:creator>Merlin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Feb 2008 00:57:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Mor                                          then you should ask them if they want to move to india 。they want to move to americ just because those countries are not democracy, but richer. If china become richer,stronger,they will move back.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Mor                                          then you should ask them if they want to move to india 。they want to move to americ just because those countries are not democracy, but richer. If china become richer,stronger,they will move back.</p>
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		<title>By: mor</title>
		<link>http://cupofcha.com/2008/02/04/what-do-chinese-make-of-democracy.html#comment-622</link>
		<dc:creator>mor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Feb 2008 23:55:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"All I can say is you are sadly mistaken because Chinese are not least bit sorry that they are not a democracy, especially watching the likes of India."

Falen, all I can say is that a lot of Chinese people would like to live in a democracy. If they have the right qualifications, if they have the choice, they move to America, Canada, Australia or European countries. Are they all wrong or is there something wrong with their own country?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;All I can say is you are sadly mistaken because Chinese are not least bit sorry that they are not a democracy, especially watching the likes of India.&#8221;</p>
<p>Falen, all I can say is that a lot of Chinese people would like to live in a democracy. If they have the right qualifications, if they have the choice, they move to America, Canada, Australia or European countries. Are they all wrong or is there something wrong with their own country?</p>
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		<title>By: Josh</title>
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		<dc:creator>Josh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Feb 2008 23:34:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Falen,

You're probably right that they don't care about elections in most countries. It's just hard to imagine watching an hour-long program on the Serbian elections and not wondering why it is so important, unless there is something special about elections. But that's probably just because of where I was raised.

With regard to laobaixing, it's not exactly like I invented the term, nor defined it. Yet I think it's safe to say that 'Beijinger' who is fluent in English, living in the US, and following international politics does not qualify as the most typical laobaixing. Perhaps I am wrong.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Falen,</p>
<p>You&#8217;re probably right that they don&#8217;t care about elections in most countries. It&#8217;s just hard to imagine watching an hour-long program on the Serbian elections and not wondering why it is so important, unless there is something special about elections. But that&#8217;s probably just because of where I was raised.</p>
<p>With regard to laobaixing, it&#8217;s not exactly like I invented the term, nor defined it. Yet I think it&#8217;s safe to say that &#8216;Beijinger&#8217; who is fluent in English, living in the US, and following international politics does not qualify as the most typical laobaixing. Perhaps I am wrong.</p>
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		<title>By: Falen</title>
		<link>http://cupofcha.com/2008/02/04/what-do-chinese-make-of-democracy.html#comment-618</link>
		<dc:creator>Falen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Feb 2008 12:13:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Josh, you make it sound as if the "loabaixing" is all watching the elections in the other with red-eyed envy.  As if some guy is saying to himself "I want that!"  All I can say is you are sadly mistaken because Chinese are not least bit sorry that they are not a democracy, especially watching the likes of India.

Sorry to say but this election and other election hardly count as achievement.  A messed up place is still messed up after an election.  Watching these "election" is amusing and a lot of Chinese are simply not impressed.

And wtf do you mean by loabaixing?  You probably have some stereotypical mental image of some old man pushing cart with massive load of cardboards down the street or some random farmer in the middle of nowhere.  People with internet access probably doesn't qualify as loabaixing to you?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Josh, you make it sound as if the &#8220;loabaixing&#8221; is all watching the elections in the other with red-eyed envy.  As if some guy is saying to himself &#8220;I want that!&#8221;  All I can say is you are sadly mistaken because Chinese are not least bit sorry that they are not a democracy, especially watching the likes of India.</p>
<p>Sorry to say but this election and other election hardly count as achievement.  A messed up place is still messed up after an election.  Watching these &#8220;election&#8221; is amusing and a lot of Chinese are simply not impressed.</p>
<p>And wtf do you mean by loabaixing?  You probably have some stereotypical mental image of some old man pushing cart with massive load of cardboards down the street or some random farmer in the middle of nowhere.  People with internet access probably doesn&#8217;t qualify as loabaixing to you?</p>
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		<title>By: tianya</title>
		<link>http://cupofcha.com/2008/02/04/what-do-chinese-make-of-democracy.html#comment-617</link>
		<dc:creator>tianya</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Feb 2008 12:12:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@tianya
当民主混乱的时候，显然是没有人想要得。但大部分的民主都是有秩序的，对于大多数人有力的。你不可以把自己当作中国人的代表。也许有的人认为中国还不适合民主。还学要时间。但并不代表不想要民主。
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那谁能保证中国实施民主之后一定会有秩序呢，谁又能保证实施民主之后中国一定会成为美国或是欧洲，而不是俄罗斯，伊拉克，肯尼亚？
我们现在比不上美国这些所谓的民主国家，但肯定好过俄罗斯，菲律宾。谁又能准确的说现在的中国以后一定不好呢？实施民主之后就能好呢？没人！！！！！！
在中国生活的是中国人，中国乱了之后，受苦的还是中国人，难道还是你们吗？
现在有谁在为非洲那些实施民主之后动乱的国家，受苦的非洲人负责？美国吗？欧洲吗？没有人！！！！！！</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@tianya<br />
当民主混乱的时候，显然是没有人想要得。但大部分的民主都是有秩序的，对于大多数人有力的。你不可以把自己当作中国人的代表。也许有的人认为中国还不适合民主。还学要时间。但并不代表不想要民主。<br />
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那谁能保证中国实施民主之后一定会有秩序呢，谁又能保证实施民主之后中国一定会成为美国或是欧洲，而不是俄罗斯，伊拉克，肯尼亚？<br />
我们现在比不上美国这些所谓的民主国家，但肯定好过俄罗斯，菲律宾。谁又能准确的说现在的中国以后一定不好呢？实施民主之后就能好呢？没人！！！！！！<br />
在中国生活的是中国人，中国乱了之后，受苦的还是中国人，难道还是你们吗？<br />
现在有谁在为非洲那些实施民主之后动乱的国家，受苦的非洲人负责？美国吗？欧洲吗？没有人！！！！！！</p>
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		<title>By: canrun</title>
		<link>http://cupofcha.com/2008/02/04/what-do-chinese-make-of-democracy.html#comment-616</link>
		<dc:creator>canrun</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Feb 2008 12:07:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pretty good debate about this topic going on in the Guardian recently:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/china/story/0,,2251711,00.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pretty good debate about this topic going on in the Guardian recently:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/china/story/0,,2251711,00.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.guardian.co.uk/china/story/0,,2251711,00.html</a></p>
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